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From Lazaris Discussions (link at left), 7/25/03:

Re: Article about me on the FooI

Hi Pete,

Pete wrote:

"I see that an article has been posted on the FooI, which makes serious allegations about me. For the record, I'd like to point out that I did not hack this site in order to take it over. I find it a bizarre accusation, but unfortunately it's one where it's very difficult to prove myself innocent.

There were also a number of other allegations which seemed to arise out of private conversations I'd had with Katie. If you have any concerns please feel free to email me or post here. I would prefer email because I'm not keen on discussing private conversations in public. However, I would not like anyone to feel that I was sweeping things under the carpet. If you decide that you really do want a public answer I will provide one.

Needless to say, I don't accept Katie's version of events."

It is time to allert Steve Hassan about Katie's destructive cult-leader behavior.  I am quite serious about that.

Here is my latest post to Carrie regarding fingerprince/speedbump's leaving the FooI and Katie's attempt to character assasinate him upon his departure:

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Hi Carrie,

"Carrie" <starchild1124@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<XAeUa.21408$Mc.1644675@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...

> Are you the one who was banned from FooI because of stalking and

> threatening Katie?

It is only accurate to say that she stalked me.

I threatened her legally if she did not stop personally contacting me and emailing me, after I left the FooI in Jan. 2002.

You can read the hard, dated Yahoo Email factual evidence for this on my website at:

http://aboutlazarisleaving.tripod.com/about_lazaris_leaving/id3.html

As we on the Course In Miracles google board are now gradually finding out, and thank God for it (my worst college-trained psychological assesments of Katie are indeed being confirmed by it; thank you all! :0) Katie is apparently xxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxx (self-edited for context-essential yet potentially Pete Board-inappropriate content).

She once spent the better part of an afternoon on the long distance trying to convince me that fingerprince (aka "speedbump" from the old general-pictures Lazaris board) was a violent sexual preditor and "...dangerous Steve, I know!" (a direct quote).

More textbook destructive cult leader (and remember Carrie, I do think that -positive- non-destructive cult_ures are essential for any evolving society) behavior: personally assasinate _all_ who leave the destructive (Fool in this case) cult group.

fingerprince/speedbump had -just- left the cosmcfooI when Katie tried to slander him in my eyes. At the time, I was "riding high" as one of the cosmicfooI's most productive anti-new age fraud posters. I was even doing a great deal of free advertising work for the then young Fool around Marin County and the Greater Bay Area for Katie.

Steve

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Well folks,

Pete has clearly provided all fair and human consideration for all parties envolved in the process of now hosting the former General Pictures Lazaris Discussion Board.

In respone to this Katie, on 7/23/03 told Pete that I once threatened to "shoot her".  See an internet "photograph" of that Fool post by Katie, below.

To better understand Katie's ugly repeated pattern of hysteronic manipulative attempts at social bullying you may want to read the following thread where she lies clearly, hysterically and repeatedly about people close to me and myself, upon my finally leaving the FooI in January 2002:

http://aboutlazarisleaving.tripod.com/about_lazaris_leaving/id20.html

It may also be helpful to examine her hysterical, dominating and dishonest ongoing (as of this date 7/24/03) extremely ugly behavior on the google course in miracles discussion board (look for her occasionally inter-conversing(!) usernames: "noggin" and "guess who"):

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=talk.religion.course-miracle

Finally there is the following: the full FooI post from Katie to Pete 7/23/03 about my threat to "shoot her":

Katie
Member

Posts: 2099
Registered: May 2001

posted 07-23-2003 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Katie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Pete,



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I don't have any kind of access that goes beyond being a registered user.
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But you and I both know that you explained to me how you could have such access. As a matter of fact you explained it to me under the comment "wanna see?".


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I can't remember clearly the reasons why particular people got banned, so it seemed easier to have a clean start.
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How can you say that Pete, after the many hours of discussions we've had about the Lite Site, both face to face and via e-mail?


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Also (and it seems kind of funny to be saying this now) I wanted to make sure I was being absolutely fair to Katie, Ted and anyone else from here who was banned.
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Why does it seem funny to be saying that now? Are you implying now that we're not being fair to you?


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There are no posts on the board which justify the reaction produced by its return. Have a look for yourself. If you can find something that grossly offensive, let me know and I will remove it.
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Remove the whole board then, because it is grossly offensive, and I'm so relieved to know that I'm hardly alone in that opinion.

Based on all the lectures I've had from you about rudeness and fair treatment, the feedback you've gotten here should be ample to resolve the issue for you.

It's been explained to you by a number of people now Pete, besides the fact that I spoke to you on the phone at great length about it.

So far the only person who doesn't seem bothered in the least is Steve Brooks, but then, as you told Ali, you don't really have any facts about him, everything you've heard is just a rumor, so his input is just as welcomed by you as anyone's.

Even though I told you that Brooks threatened to shoot me. Among other things I've told you about threats against my personal safety that you clearly either think I just make up for the fun of it, or that you don't give a flying fuck about.

Now, most friends would take that in itself as good enough reason to not stir up some old shit, but it's becoming quite evident Pete, that you aren't interested in the thoughts or feelings of your friends.

It seems that the quest for new, better, and more friends is taking precedence over any silly old rumors that me and Ted told you, or that anyone else who posts here or on the Lite Site has had to say about Brooks.

You are so confident that you are going to make a spectacular go of the revival of the Lite Site, yet you aren't even willing to pay due respect to the FACTS of it's history. You're going to instead play that game of "if I didn't see it it didn't happen". Even though you DID see it. And we DID discuss it. At length.

All it seems to me Pete, is that you are on one serious mission to prove to everyone how wrong we all are about just about everything and to show us the right way that you of course know better than anyone.

How's that panning out for you Pete?

So far you've certainly destroyed your friendship with two real life 3D people with whom you have spent quite a bit of intimate and I dare say pleasurable time.

Naturally you won't take any responsibility for that, it's all because Ted and I aren't fair for some unexplained reason that probably has to do with jealousy and fear or something similar if history serves.

But so then neither is anyone else who has given you feedback on this site, or who has given me private feedback, Pete.

So far no one has come to your defense or provided me with anything but even more reasons why my initial feelings of discomfort about this whole project are reasonable.

You aren't hearing even the half of it, nor do I hope you actually will. I hope you figure it out for yourself instead.

And, hard as I know this is for you to hear, I have tried very hard to be reasonable Pete, but all things considered, and only you know the full extent of ALL of those things that I'm taking into consideration , I just don't see how there is any way to support or encourage this muck raking project you seem so hellbent on carrying through for some still unexplained reason, since we know that no one actually asked you to do them any favors as you are trying to claim.

You know full well that you have the ability to hurt me and Ted in serious and real ways because we have been vulnerable enough with you to allow you into an intimate relationship with us.

All I can say about that is that I'm hoping that you won't be foolish and frivolous enough to think that you can use that as a weapon to get what you want from us, or to punish us for not going along with this ill-conceived project of yours.

At this point I have no idea what your boundaries are in regards to your ethics about that.

I just hope you are smart enough to realize that it might not be the best idea to use your past proximity to me and Ted to cause us more trouble than you already have. 

An important update: the above post was removed from the fooI on Saturday 7/26/03.

Being a lamb and "nice" to a bully like Katie, never works.

Katie -removed- the assassinating cosmcfool.com posts about both Pete and I.

Do you know why, everyone?

I'll tell you why:

Because we posted Katie's (now) private bad behavior all over the internet.

This is why Helen's and other's just wanting to "get along" with Katie w/o fighting back hard and fair is just Katie "shark bait".

Shine the lights on her and she shrinks back into the: "I'm a goodie cult rescuer!" toxic shadows.

Steve

 

 

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